Monday, January 23, 2012

To Tenuki or Not To Tenuki

I am playing a lot of games at the moment (for me that is) which results in interesting questions. Here is one question which came up when I played a 5-3 point as my first move. I was white. Black immediately invaded.


Hmmmm... Now what??? I wasn't sure whether to tenuki or not. I was tempted to do so, but I didn't like the idea of him coming out. I'd rather have him live small in the corner while I got the outside. Although my outside would face his hoshi, so maybe my move already was the wrong direction anyway.

I did reply locally, and I think I still stand by that decision but not with a very high confidence. What would you have done in this situation?
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Unknown said...

I think you're a bit stronger than me, but I wouldn't tenuki either; maybe after one more move? Seems like each move you can get black to make locally is lowering the value of further moves.

Fede said...

If you were to tenuki, it would look like you approached his 3-3 with a 5-3. If I remember correctly, one approaches that way when the bottom is more important than the side, which doesn't seem to be the case here, as it's the only non-empty side. So I would continue locally and try to build influence in sente to approach his hoshi.

Anonymous said...

In your situation I would have responded as well. But not sure how. If you contain him to the corner with a wall facing right, you would need sente as well to ensure that he does not get a good approach move against your wall from his 4-4 stone.

So I'm not so sure about that 5-3 point to begin with. Since it favours one side very strongly I would have played it towards a side that he does not have any influence on, e.g at C5

NannyOgg said...

Thanks all!

Will try to post about this later today. For now five kids home thanks to snow / ice storm, so I am getting a bit too distracted to post now :D :D

Short answer: I have stopped playing the 5-3 that way. I usually play it in the opposite corner now.

Fun to experiment :D


David said...

I vote don't tenuki as well. A simple knight's move press at D5 would be good and white won't be at a disadvantage.

Imagine what happens if you take another corner. Black D5 is an excellent move and any extension white makes along the bottom will be pressured by a checking extension from the lower right star point. That would make things easy for black.

Anonymous said...

Why on earth would you tenuki there ? I mean if there's some other urgent point at the table to play in, why didn't you played there directly ?
After you've played in the lower left, you did not expect the opponent to never approach that part of the board ?
Also, you've played first in an empty corner, would would be interesting about letting the opponent get two moves in a row in that corner and start squeezing you and ending with a weak group that has to do some running while black builds moyo/territory ?

Marc said...

I would press Black on top and taken a position towards the left side. Since opposite far corner is empty, take advantage of a working ladder.

After this joseki, the prospects on the lower side aren't very good for Black either. This is the best answer I can come up with to counter your opponent's plans.

Another idea is to use tenuki to approach the 4-4 stone as a probing move. Then you can make a more informed decision about the situation in the bottom-left corner.

Still, I wouldn't have played the 3-5 in this situation to begin with. XD

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